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@ben-allen ben-allen commented Aug 19, 2025

As the result of the change of the new year in the Thai Buddhist calendar from April to January that occurred on 1 January 1941, calculating dates from before that year must take into account that the preceding year only had nine months.

This is currently a draft PR because I am not entirely satisfied with the wording -- I'm genuinely not sure what level of formality is appropriate in this context.

See #63

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Do we wish to do this? The calendar is supposed to be proleptic.

Probably not a big deal, but no current implementor follows this tweak.

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Do we wish to do this? The calendar is supposed to be proleptic.

I think the answer is in fact no -- which when you get down to it is the key reason why I've left this as a draft PR.

However, would it be useful to have an explicit mention of the nine month year that occurred in 1940 in the description of the calendar? See the paragraph on the Buddhist calendar description in this comment from @sffc

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ptomato commented Aug 19, 2025

My guess is that we want wording like this, only it should say the opposite, i.e. years begin in January extending indefinitely into the past.

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sffc commented Aug 19, 2025

I never did research on the pre-1941 Buddhist question. Is it still Gregorian-based, just with the new year shifted, or is it a whole other type of calendar?

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It's the Gregorian calendar, just with the new year shifted -- they did the shift by having one nine-month year.

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Changed the wording to do, as @ptomato says, the opposite of that.

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…endar reform of 1940 and historical inaccuracies that may arise when using pre-1941 dates
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@ben-allen ben-allen changed the title Draft wording for buddhist calendar complexities for pre-1941 dates Normative: Add wording for buddhist calendar complexities for pre-1941 dates Sep 4, 2025
@sffc sffc moved this to Priority Issues in ECMA-402 Meeting Topics Oct 8, 2025
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sffc commented Oct 13, 2025

TG2 approval: https://github.com/tc39/ecma402/blob/main/meetings/notes-2025-10-13.md#normative-add-wording-for-buddhist-calendar-complexities-for-pre-1941-dates-76

Please refer to the notes to tweak the wording. @sffc and @hsivonen had feedback on the wording.

@ben-allen ben-allen changed the title Normative: Add wording for buddhist calendar complexities for pre-1941 dates Editorial: Add wording for buddhist calendar complexities for pre-1941 dates Oct 16, 2025
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Temporal champions group agrees that this change is editorial rather than normative as of today's meeting

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